Can You Critique This Picture? - Barnmice Equestrian Social Community2024-03-29T13:48:54Zhttp://www.barnmice.com/forum/topics/can-you-critique-this-picture?commentId=1773158%3AComment%3A273416&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHehe..That horse is actually…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-21:1773158:Comment:2771562010-09-21T21:06:30.574ZJocelynhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/Jocelyn
Hehe..That horse is actually a mare, Mandy. ex-TB racehorse, Oh and how I wish she was mine. =)<br />
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Thanks for reply!
Hehe..That horse is actually a mare, Mandy. ex-TB racehorse, Oh and how I wish she was mine. =)<br />
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Thanks for reply! You and your horse are having…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-16:1773158:Comment:2750722010-09-16T23:17:23.936ZJennifer Lammhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/JenniferLamm
You and your horse are having fun and enjoying yourselves and I don't critique because I don't jump but I loved reading this thread...... maybe I will just give you an atta girl and have fun!! and hug that horse of yours for me... looks like a boy I know...
You and your horse are having fun and enjoying yourselves and I don't critique because I don't jump but I loved reading this thread...... maybe I will just give you an atta girl and have fun!! and hug that horse of yours for me... looks like a boy I know... Sorry..but to me a rounding b…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-16:1773158:Comment:2750032010-09-16T16:52:01.783ZKairen Jamiesonhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/KairenJamieson
Sorry..but to me a rounding back is done by collapsing the cores...and if my horse is coming into a 4'3" -4'9" fence with a stilt or quite coming...I do not round through the lower back but engage the seat and cores supported by the back muscles (which to me is why it is the cores that should control shoulder/upper body alignment by proper engagement and not the back...if the muscles along the spine are tense or used..you often get a hollowed back/posed look with eviodent tension that often…
Sorry..but to me a rounding back is done by collapsing the cores...and if my horse is coming into a 4'3" -4'9" fence with a stilt or quite coming...I do not round through the lower back but engage the seat and cores supported by the back muscles (which to me is why it is the cores that should control shoulder/upper body alignment by proper engagement and not the back...if the muscles along the spine are tense or used..you often get a hollowed back/posed look with eviodent tension that often affects the shoulder and armpit angle...if the cores are doing their job...the back muscles are free to act as an aid or as a supporting aid to the seat/leg/cores themself)....this in itself puts the seat bones into place as long as the ankles are suppled and without rotation or uneveness that would cause a collapse in the hip.....nor do I round when galloping downhill on a cross country course...it may be okay for training level...but if you are coming into a wide high peliminary fence off a hill...the upper core is still stretched keeping the shoulders aligned while the lower core is working for the waist/hip...and a gallop seat is okay if someone has the control over the body to adjust the alignment into a Jumping seat...but usually this has the green rider to much over the wither which encourages them to either anticipate a distance wrong or has them opening the knee angle too much...two point works not only the ankle...but also the angle alignments...especially the most important one in jumping...the ankle angle/rotation/suppleness...so...what is the focus of the point that I am missing...I am sure there is one...just a little blind I guess...lol. Jocelyn is learning to jump.…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-16:1773158:Comment:2749762010-09-16T12:09:45.708ZJackie Cochranhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/JackieCochran
Jocelyn is learning to jump. Hopefully soon I will be going over cross-poles again. Both Jocelyn and I are jumping at an elementary level. Until Jocelyn gets the body knowledge from actually doing the jumps, she will not be able to jump automatically. Until that wonderful day (and it will come for Jocelyn) her main security jumping will be keeping proper position. When Jocelyn is a more experienced jumper "proper position" won't mean a lot and her seat will change to reflect changing…
Jocelyn is learning to jump. Hopefully soon I will be going over cross-poles again. Both Jocelyn and I are jumping at an elementary level. Until Jocelyn gets the body knowledge from actually doing the jumps, she will not be able to jump automatically. Until that wonderful day (and it will come for Jocelyn) her main security jumping will be keeping proper position. When Jocelyn is a more experienced jumper "proper position" won't mean a lot and her seat will change to reflect changing conditions.<br />
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When I started riding I took the cavalier attitude that what all those boring, fusty, fussy, nit-picking horsemen who wrote the classics could not possibly be correct about the necessity of really good position. If I did not have MS I imagine that I would have done well, no matter what variation of position I'd take over a jump. As it was, I was rarely satisfied with my jumps, and I had no idea how to fix it and my riding teachers were not telling me how to fix it. None of us knew I had active MS.<br />
However since I DO have MS and have a constantly changing variety of neurological problems, I have found that all those nitty-gritty details were EXACTLY what I needed. By concentrating on the minutia of position after 3 years of riding I am finally secure enough to think about riding outside the ring, or of hopping over tiny jumps. It would have been dangerous for me to do either 3 years ago, today both are possibilities, but only because I have fixed every problem with my position. If correct position can do that for me, a crippled middle-aged woman, just think what it can do for an athletic teen-age girl. She has no limits. Jackie, to illustrate the poi…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-16:1773158:Comment:2748842010-09-16T02:38:09.223ZEvaZhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/EvaZurek
Jackie, to illustrate the point, how pointless is the whole arguing about styles, look at our hero - Frederico Caprilli - on this picture:<br />
http://ko-kr.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=381308999356<br />
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<a href="http://www.centroippicodipavia.freeservers.com/images/caprilli.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.centroippicodipavia.freeservers.com/images/caprilli.jpg</a><br />
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I am sure, you will also find another picture of the same guy having a complete different shape. And both will be correct.<br />
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Jackie, to illustrate the point, how pointless is the whole arguing about styles, look at our hero - Frederico Caprilli - on this picture:<br />
http://ko-kr.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=381308999356<br />
or here:<br />
<a href="http://www.centroippicodipavia.freeservers.com/images/caprilli.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.centroippicodipavia.freeservers.com/images/caprilli.jpg</a><br />
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I am sure, you will also find another picture of the same guy having a complete different shape. And both will be correct.<br />
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The point is this. Whatever you do on that horse, it must be 1.safe and 2. effective.<br />
Both points are somewhat relative. What is safe in one jump, might be dangerous in another. Flexibility is the key. Safe means, you will minimize impact on your body, and you will not be easily displaced upon refusal or stumble of the horse. Your shape must reflect the situation.<br />
Effective means, the horse does not have to fight the extra air resistance your body might cause, and your hands will not pull on the mouth, allowing the freedom of the neck, and your legs will not kick the belly. You will also be able to recover from the jump as quickly as possible, never loosing control of the rein.<br />
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This was the main objective of Frederico Caprilli, and whatever satisfies 1 and 2, would be OK with that guy. I can feel it my bones ;-))) Jackie, Steinkraus is FS. We…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-16:1773158:Comment:2748622010-09-16T02:16:57.110ZEvaZhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/EvaZurek
Jackie, Steinkraus is FS. We are in agreement, you are just talking about round back associated with "coupled with the rider looking down, with pivoting on the knees, and the lower leg swinging back. "<br />
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I have never mentioned these. I am not advocating a seat, that may lead to an accident. Quite an opposite. And as far as the "proper position" is concerned, it may be worth to study what very succesfull GP show jumpers are doing. You might find a huge variety of styles - including looking down,…
Jackie, Steinkraus is FS. We are in agreement, you are just talking about round back associated with "coupled with the rider looking down, with pivoting on the knees, and the lower leg swinging back. "<br />
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I have never mentioned these. I am not advocating a seat, that may lead to an accident. Quite an opposite. And as far as the "proper position" is concerned, it may be worth to study what very succesfull GP show jumpers are doing. You might find a huge variety of styles - including looking down, which is so frequent one might think twice about calling it a "fault". And you know, it works for them too. Lot of this styling rhetorics is just not holding water in the real world. I don't know about the variou…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-15:1773158:Comment:2748362010-09-15T22:49:11.027ZJackie Cochranhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/JackieCochran
I don't know about the various "safety seats" I've heard of. One I decided I could not ride because it was TOO DANGEROUS for me with my lack of forward/back balance. I'll check Steinkraus's out soon, if it is in "Riding and Jumping.". I ride FS, not the USET seat influenced by deNemethy.<br />
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From Jane Marshall Dillon's "Form Over Fences", p. 22.<br />
"Rounded back. This is a most common fault. Frequently it is coupled with the rider looking down, with pivoting on the knees, and the lower leg swinging…
I don't know about the various "safety seats" I've heard of. One I decided I could not ride because it was TOO DANGEROUS for me with my lack of forward/back balance. I'll check Steinkraus's out soon, if it is in "Riding and Jumping.". I ride FS, not the USET seat influenced by deNemethy.<br />
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From Jane Marshall Dillon's "Form Over Fences", p. 22.<br />
"Rounded back. This is a most common fault. Frequently it is coupled with the rider looking down, with pivoting on the knees, and the lower leg swinging back. The opposite dilemna in which the rider may find himself, in relation to the back, is a general stiffness."<br />
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By the way she is not saying to sway the back, she praises the backs that look flat--not rounded, nor lordosis (sway back), and I do not mean horizontal all the time, just the spine is straight. This is on the flat, over jumps, at all gaits, up hill and down hill. As I said, we will have to agree to disagree. Respectfully, I am not going to stop promoting proper jumping ala FS no matter how much fashions have changed the last 50-60 years. After all, it IS the basis of all modern jumping.<br />
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Jocelyn, I do not mean to highjack your discussion! I apologize. Ask as many experienced horsepeople as you can, but I warn you, you MAY get twice as many different answers as there are horsepeople--this is just the way we are.<br />
The MOST important being you have to worry about pleasing while jumping is the horse you are riding. You have made an excellent start, and you want to get better. Good for you! After reading your reply, Jus…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-15:1773158:Comment:2748192010-09-15T21:51:39.863ZJocelynhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/Jocelyn
After reading your reply, Just wanted to say that your story is really inspirational. It shows how you'll never give up on your Love of Riding, no matter what.<br />
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Never Give-up, Work Hard, and Enjoy.<br />
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Thank-you for all your help.
After reading your reply, Just wanted to say that your story is really inspirational. It shows how you'll never give up on your Love of Riding, no matter what.<br />
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Never Give-up, Work Hard, and Enjoy.<br />
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Thank-you for all your help. So... Your suggestion would b…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-15:1773158:Comment:2748172010-09-15T21:49:00.451ZJocelynhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/Jocelyn
So... Your suggestion would be to be concious of what my back is doing?
So... Your suggestion would be to be concious of what my back is doing? When you gallop downhill, you…tag:www.barnmice.com,2010-09-15:1773158:Comment:2748162010-09-15T21:45:57.929ZEvaZhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/EvaZurek
When you gallop downhill, you should place yourself in the position William Steinkraus called a "safe seat". It is hard to describe it, but it is the same position, jumpers have if they anticipate either a stop, or very bad take-off. It is still forward, but your butt is closer to a cantel. Your body is somewhat lowered. That makes the body slightly curved.<br />
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Now, to illustrate the point further, lets look at an extreme.…
When you gallop downhill, you should place yourself in the position William Steinkraus called a "safe seat". It is hard to describe it, but it is the same position, jumpers have if they anticipate either a stop, or very bad take-off. It is still forward, but your butt is closer to a cantel. Your body is somewhat lowered. That makes the body slightly curved.<br />
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Now, to illustrate the point further, lets look at an extreme.<br />
<a href="http://www.thewallpapers.org/wallpapers/19/1954/thumb/320_Mountain_bike_in_downhill_race.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.thewallpapers.org/wallpapers/19/1954/thumb/320_Mountain_bike_in_downhill_race.jpg</a><br />
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I hope nobody here would suggest to that cyclist, that he should straighten his back, or even be in lordosis? The physics is very - very similar, but the bicyclists are not plugged with theories how they should sit, they do what feels right.