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I just read Jean-Claude Racinet's "Falling for Fallacies".  My mind is blown, this is the dressage I thought ALL dressage was back in my innocent youth, light handed with the willing cooperation of the horse.  As a Forward Seat rider I never got into learning competition dressage because I could never see a way to go from the free forward movement to full collection that did not BREAK the flow of the horse, until I started reading Nuno Oliveira, and now Racinet.   I can now see a way to go from full Forward Seat to full collection without compromising my horsie moral code.

If you've read Racinet what are your thoughts on his methods?

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I don't have a physical handicap, but I have a horse that does not "fly" like a bunch of springs, since it is a Paint x TB cross, and more like a Paint, really. I know very well, that screwing his neck and jaws would lead inevitably to pinning his massively muscled torso and relatively short stocky legs to the ground. The western flat gates would be "perfecto", if you know what I mean :-)

But, being an english rider, and learning to ride mediocre horses all my life, I knew, there is only one method, that can improve the freedom of expression of these - not so flying - horses, and that is the Caprilli mehod, and all of those followers from 30-40-50s. SKILLS before FORMAT is that method. I was lucky, that my early trainers have been trained that way. To them, even running martingale was a NO-NO, unless you really must. Horses have been hacked first, developed athletically, and if someone rode a horse behind a vertical, they were dismounted and sent back to the bench to think about their piggy hands :-) And you know what? The horses were incredible! They could run steeplechase and perform dressage while being so ugly, a modern breeder would spit at them today :-)

It all started to change in the 70s. The Germans started winning, and their methods of using format as a mean to get the skill had taken off - all borrowed from the "classical pre-Caprilli times". The lunge-lining was become a prerequisite in the advance horse education. Paalman become the innovator with his chambon, and the hell with auxilliary reins broke off. Factory-manufactured theories about bending horse's back, the circle of muscles started from the jaws - well served the purpose of justification. Since Germany, with its highly organized state-sponsored efforts become no.1, others quickly followed the trail of money. And now we have what we have. Some poeple are calling for a return to "classical"? Why go so far, where we have a poor evidence, that what was preached was also practiced? Why not going back to the recent history, which is much better documented and gives an alternative? Could it be, that people really do not want to change that much?
Yes, EvaZ, I agree with you completely.
In the 70's, especially with the BHIa & BHAIs there was this mania with Mussler's "Riding Logic" and they all started digging their seat bones into the saddle. The BHI where I got my first horse had actually studied with Jane Dillon and gotten her FS certification, but she went to the BHI program in Morven Park because "she wanted to learn how to do more."
After switching completely to FS after 1 week's worth of lessons I often thought about this comment. I knew that the cavalry FS riders had gotten pretty advanced with responsiveness to the aids and I refused to believe that FS horses couldn't be ridden at a high level.
Finally, about 20 years ago I found out the core theory of giving the horse aids that did not interfere with the horse's movement (Udo Burger.) My riding started to become light. After the long 5 years in which I could not ride I thought some on this, and when I started riding again I got to try this system of aids on horses I hadn't trained, and I got immediate results with the first horse I rode independently.
It occured to me that all the FS riders had been concentrating on FUN, riding fast, riding cross-country, hunting, and jumping, all riding where the horse takes a harder hold on the bit for support. This is all the students wanted to learn, so the FS teachers did not formulate a system of riding FS in true lightness.
Since I cannot do the fun stuff, I decided the best thing I could do with my time was to develop lightness riding FS on the flat, and to see HOW responsive I could get the horses in spite of my tremors, etc.. So, would this be a new variation of the FS? NO. Caprilli insisted on the lightest contact possible, people had just forgotten.
I ride FS. I ride FS in my dressage saddle, in my A-fork Western saddle as well as my old FS saddles. My hands belong to the horse's mouth. I am lucky, because by riding FS I do not have to lust after the expensive horses, with FS I can turn just about any horse, however inferior, into a better riding horse. I've done it. The ladies I ride for like seeing me ride their horses, they like the way I improve their horses physically, they like the way I train to the aids, and they like the fact that when beginners ride these horses that the horses obey their riders cheerfully (most of the time) and do not scare their inexperienced riders.
What more could I ask for?
The French and Portuguese dressage systems were the only ones where, when I read their books, I could see riding dressage without inhibiting forward impulse. I am reading them because when my horses offer me a collected movement I do not want to punish them for it, so I need to learn how to accept it , let it flow, and let it go. I tell you, I was very suprised when the horses started offering me advanced movements. I do not consider my hands steady enough to demand them, but it is sort of nice when the horse offers it.
I am SO HAPPY to have someone else on Barnmice that knows a lot about FS. From what you say you were trained in a slightly different system than me. I ride in Vladimir Littauer's system, the American System of Forward Riding run by the ANRC and taught in some colleges. I've read them all--Caprilli, Santini, Littauer, Kournakoff, Wrangel, Kirchner, Dillon, Chamberlin, Bechter, Speckmaier. I am VERY interested in learning about any other variations of the FS system.

I don't understand it, Caprilli taught people how to fly without wings on regular, ordinary horses, and the people decided to go back to trudging around in circles on the superior horses. Caprilli taught people how to make their horses happier with being ridden, and then people went back to tormenting their poor mounts. Caprilli taught people how to be bold, and now timidity reigns.

So sad. I'm glad you are on Barnmice. Now I don't feel all alone about my system of riding.
Probably too late for you to see my answer here but I took several clinics from Jean-Claude before he passed away. Your analysis of your equitation is correct. It hinges on riding in lightness but always in the presence of impulsion.

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