Comments - How Many of These Training Principles Do You Follow? - Barnmice Equestrian Social Community2024-03-29T12:11:01Zhttp://www.barnmice.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=1773158%3ABlogPost%3A574934&xn_auth=noI just clicked on the link--a…tag:www.barnmice.com,2012-02-02:1773158:Comment:5753202012-02-02T16:57:34.388ZJudi Dalyhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/JudiDaly
<p>I just clicked on the link--and sure enough, Andrew McCean is involved! </p>
<p>I just clicked on the link--and sure enough, Andrew McCean is involved! </p> I definitely use #1 and try w…tag:www.barnmice.com,2012-02-02:1773158:Comment:5753182012-02-02T16:55:36.250ZJudi Dalyhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/JudiDaly
<p>I definitely use #1 and try with all the rest. Andrew McClean has greatly influenced me. This sounds much like his teaching. </p>
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<p>I also use clicker training, and that has made things seem much simpler. I like simple! I can spend a lot of time on positive reinforcement and shape the responses. It eliminates most of the confusion when I am trying to teach something new, because if he does something wrong, i just ignore it and try again.</p>
<p>I definitely use #1 and try with all the rest. Andrew McClean has greatly influenced me. This sounds much like his teaching. </p>
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<p>I also use clicker training, and that has made things seem much simpler. I like simple! I can spend a lot of time on positive reinforcement and shape the responses. It eliminates most of the confusion when I am trying to teach something new, because if he does something wrong, i just ignore it and try again.</p> #s 6, 7 & 8 are the basis…tag:www.barnmice.com,2012-01-31:1773158:Comment:5748402012-01-31T21:52:05.555ZJackie Cochranhttp://www.barnmice.com/profile/JackieCochran
<p>#s 6, 7 & 8 are the basis of Forward Seat riding and schooling. My only quibble is with #6, some horses do need reminders though the ideal is to give the signal and let the horse do it.</p>
<p>I do have problems with the following:</p>
<p>#2--To avoid confusion train signals that are easy to discriminate. No overlapping signal sites.</p>
<p>#4--Train only one response per signal.</p>
<p>#6--Train persistence of responses.</p>
<p>When I give a leg aid at the girth it means different…</p>
<p>#s 6, 7 & 8 are the basis of Forward Seat riding and schooling. My only quibble is with #6, some horses do need reminders though the ideal is to give the signal and let the horse do it.</p>
<p>I do have problems with the following:</p>
<p>#2--To avoid confusion train signals that are easy to discriminate. No overlapping signal sites.</p>
<p>#4--Train only one response per signal.</p>
<p>#6--Train persistence of responses.</p>
<p>When I give a leg aid at the girth it means different things according to where the horse's legs are, what my other leg is doing, what hands are signaling, and my posture in the saddle. One leg at the girth may mean--lengthen the stride of the advancing hind leg, or move the opposite foreleg outward to the side, or bring the inside hind leg closer to the outside hind leg in a curved line, or for a hind leg to carry the weight a little longer (braking) before pushing, asking to horse to move on two-tracks, or to ask the horse to canter. I use the same leg aid for each of these requests, the difference is when I use my leg (according to the movements of the horse's legs), rein aids, changes in my posture and weight distribution, and the strength of my leg aid. There is no way that I can give easily understood aids if each seperate command demands that I use my leg in a different place on the horse. For one thing with my MS I am lucky if I hit exactly the same place twice in a row.</p>
<p>I am not sure what #6 is saying, is it talking about stabilization when the horse is given the command and then left alone, or is it saying that say for a leg aid that you should not just dig your heel into the horse's side and never let go? I always apply my aids and then release the aid immediately, I do not wait until the horse obeys, I assume (often wrongly) that the horse will obey. Due to my physical problems I often have to convince the horse that yes, I do want that second and third step, etc. and I repeat my aids, always with an immediate release. Of course my ideal is stabilization, it is just with my MS my body often will not stay as still as I would want it to.</p>
<p>#5--the identical response from the horse, well it depends. If my horse is going over bad ground or sees a danger I do not see I do NOT want an identical response to an aid as I would in a riding ring with good footing and no obstacles. I want my horse to use his brains. They do have knowledge of the safest way to negotiate bad ground if they are pasture or trail horses. THAT IS THEIR JOB. If I tell a horse to turn of the edge of a cliff I rather think I would prefer the horse to first ask me if I was really sure I wanted to go over the edge. </p>
<p>Like one day, for some reason I was riding without my glasses (I'm VERY near-sighted) and my horse did not see the big coils of fencing wire when we were walking on a trail in the deep woods and he walked into it, all four legs CAUGHT. Being a GOOD horse he disobeyed my aids to go forward until I thought to look down at his lower legs, and he stood perfectly still with the reins on his neck while I picked up each foot and dragged the coils of wire out from under him, that took me several minutes. I never rode without glasses again. I told him he was a GOOD BOY and since no one was hurt we continued our ride. If he had obeyed my leg aids automatically we could both have been severely hurt.</p>
<p>I will put up with less than immediate, crisp response to my aids if it means I can trust my horse to use his brain to get us out of difficulties. There are no guarantees of course, but if I keep my horses calm they can usually think. If they think NO it is up to me to persuade them otherwise, either that I can ride it, or that I can ride them humanely through it, or that it is safe to proceed. </p>