I don't understand this either.. Sorry if this is taken to insult but the reins should be attached to a CURB bit once the horse understand rein pressure on the neck.. and unless absolutly needed for competition I generally liek to school and train in a simple snaffle (even on well schooled horses during the off season). The reins are attached just like any other reins.
i am useing a full cheek frenchlink snaffle by TOKLAT the best to train reining horses...what i don't understand is there are 4 sets of reins right...two on the left two on the right ...do they both go on to the bit if the indirect rein is only for preasure then it sould not be on the bit rite or am i wrong??? and if they both are on the bit then pressure plus pull will be added rite just wondering it sounds like it sould just be on the head to use as a preasure rein not a pull rein???any and all info is greatly used thanks so much for your time...
are you talking about draw reins? Because draw reins are used with the direct rein inorder to help with bending.. If they are just normal reins, only use one pair..can I see a picture of these reins? I am so curious! The bit looks like it should only have one pair of reins as its a direct rein bit, and along with draw reins if that is what you are talking about.
here are a ferw pictures of draw reins and being properly used.
i don't have the reins on the bit yet....but its 2 pair of reins one set on the bit then the other set i have no clue were to put them??? its not a draw rein to flex the neck they are to be used as a pressure rein for the neck but if i put it on the bit then it would cause pull drag wont it?? i would hate to confuss the horse by putting it on the bit but then if it does go on the bit then i think it might be a reguler rein (direct )then an indirect rite for just pressure
An indirect rein is a rein aid, it is a manner of applying the rein... it doesn't refer to the actual equipment.
The pictures that you have included look like a mecate rein. The long extra 'rein' on the left (going to the rider) is not actually a proper rein at all, it is a lead 'rein' used for leading (or sometimes longeing) from the ground. The rider only has one set of reins for giving aids from the saddle (the reins in his hands). The lead 'rein' generally goes to the saddle or around the horse's neck (or in the case of your photos seems to be in the rider's pocket or on his belt) when the horse is being ridden, simply to keep it out of the way when it is not being used. The mecate is a single long 'rein' that is attached in a manner that forms a single looped rein attached to either site of a bit, with the lead portion of the 'rein' coming off of the left bit ring.
Like the Direct Rein, the Indirect Rein, also known as a Neck Rein or Bearing Rein, is a simple unilateral action of the hand, making it a basic yet effective aid for horses and riders of all levels; it is called an “indirect” aid in that it produces an effect on the side opposite from which it is used. Also like the Direct Rein, this rein will affect the horse’s lateral flexion, but has little or no direct effect on the horse’s longitudinal flexion, and will not produce collection.
It is used in any movement requiring counter-bending such as the turn on the forehand or haunches, etc., or for straightening a crooked horse momentarily.
It is also a partner rein for the Direct Rein, and both can be used to great effect in various combinations. Both of these rein aids are compatible in that, when used in the same direction, they displace the horse’s balance to the same shoulder, and therefore do not send contradictory messages or disturb the horse’s natural balance – something to keep in mind whenever applying two-handed rein aids; both rein aids should complement one another in directing the horse’s balance to one quarter at a time.*
i copied and pasted the part in the book it just don't tell me where to put the indirect rein on the bit or on the head thanks so much guys for trying to help me...its greatly needed
Your question still isn't making sense, I'm sorry.
If you're using a full-cheek snaffle you should have 2 reins, one attached to each side of the bit. I have no idea why you have 2 reins on each side. The only way you would have 2 reins is if you have draw reins (already discussed) or if you're riding in a double bridle, which you're not.
What I get from your copy/paste is this.
Imagine you're on your horse and you have a rein in each hand. Now, pretend you're trying to turn your horse. If your horse is an english horse or still green you will be 'direct reining' it. That means you basically be turning the horse by tipping it's nose with your rein. So, you're sitting on your horse (in your mind) with a rein in each hand and you want to direct rein your horse to the right. You will take your right hand and gently tip the horse's nose to the right and the horse *should* follow his nose.
Once you get past this point in your training you will be moving on to neck reining. When you neck rein you use an indirect rein which means this. Pretend you're on your horse again and you are holding your 2 reins in one hand. Now, you want to turn your horse to the right so you move your hand to the right. This will cause the reins to lay against the left side of the horse's neck and cue him to move away from the reins.
Of course, neck reining has NOTHING to do with what you do with your hands. A horse that neck reins well will be able to neck rein without the rider touching the reins because neck reining is mostly about using leg.
Taken from the text that you quoted in your post:
"...whenever applying two-handed rein aids; both rein aids should complement one another in directing the horse’s balance to one quarter at a time.*"
Your quote from the book explains my point exactly... direct and indirect reins are rein aids (ie. methods of applying the reins). They are not separate sets of reins but two different ways that you can use one set of reins to give signals to the horse.
i under stand now thank you guys so much for the info first time doing the rein aids...the old timer said to use the cross rein method but it seems like it don't work for me but again thanks i under stand now...awesome