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Comment by Misti Seppi on Wednesday

Riding Holidays in Portugal on Lusitano Stallions!

Hello All:

My name is Misti Sepp and I arrange riding holidays to the Valenca riding center in Vila France de Xira (www.celg.pt) Portugal.

The week is hosted and taught by Sofia Valenca - the middle daughter of Sr. Luis Valenca (widely regarded as the top living master of Classical Dressage in the world).  Sofia is highly regarded as a international rider, trainer and instructor in her own right.  She speaks English fluently.

The Valenca training philosophy is based on first gaining your horses trust and friendship and from there, training him progressively so each step is "easy" and possible.  And in this way, developing a horse to the highest levels while preserving his body and his mind. 

FYI - Team Valenca (Exhibition riders)  will be touring the US with Apassionata starting in April 2012.  Check the Apassionata North America for more details and schedule (http://apassionata.com/usa/index.php).  This is a "not to be missed" show.

The riding holiday week begins upon your arrival in Lisbon on Sunday.  Sofia (or a member of her staff) will pick you up in Lisbon and drive you to the bed and breakfast. (http://www.quintadesantamaria.pt/uk/home.html). All of the bedrooms are private, with an en suite bathroom and a small fridge.

You will have the rest of the day to unpack, rest, and enjoy the grounds at the Quinta.  Dinner will be served Sunday around 7P. 

The bed and breakfast will provide breakfast and dinner daily.  Beverages are not included with dinner, but a quick trip to the supermarket will provide you with a good bottle of wine for 5E or less.  You can buy beverages at the Quinta but the prices are not as good.   

On Monday morning, Sofia will arrive at the BnB and take you to the riding center where you will be matched to a horse suitable to your ability and temperment.  The horses are all school master Lusitanos (many are stallions) - one more beautiful than the last.

The lessons are small group lessons of about 60 minutes duration.  Riders are assigned to groups according to ability (this way we can accomodate a beginner and an advanced rider in the same group).

There is a lesson in the morning and afternoon of each day with the exception of Wednesday. 

Wednesday morning you will go to the Portuguese School of Equestrian Arte for a "backstage tour" with one of the riders, followed by an exhibition by the school.  Presentations include riding, pillar work and airs above ground.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2ZQTqMyCtM) 

Nine lessons are offered as part of the week.  If you would like additional private riding lessons, side-saddle, in-hand, lunge or long line lessons these can be added for a supplemental cost - just let us know.

During the week Sofia will also demonstrate the training of a Lusitano horse from a green horse on the lunge, through the work in pillars and airs above ground. 

A traditional lunch daily at a local restruarant is included. (the food is delicious and plentiful - nobody goes hungry!)

In addition to the riding lessons there are several field trips

1) the previously mentioned trip to the Portuguese School of Equestrian Arte

2) at least one trip to  the local tack store - we will do this  trip early in the week in case somebody would like to order a pair of custom Portuguese half chaps, or riding boots.  This trip is always very popular with our guests.  Baroque bridles, Portuguese saddles, Spanish saddles and traditional riding costumes are available. 

3) an evening in Lisbon for dinner and fado at Sr. Vinho (www.srvinho.com).  Fado is the traditional music of Portugal.

4) a trip to one of the largest breeders of Lusitano horses in Portugal to see the stallions as well as the mares and foals in the field.

5) a trip to see a fighting bulls in the field. 

The trip ends on Saturday morning with your return to the Lisbon airport.

 Group size is limited to 6 riders per week.  

We are now scheduling 1 week per month April - October 2012 

If you would like more information, please contact me at mrseppi@hotmail.com  

Comment by Susana Rodriguez on Wednesday

Mary-Joe, it is a long story really, Yes, these horses are PRE, and the old way to call these horses, was "andalusians" until some politics and marketing from breeders in other places away from the south of Spain, forced the ministry to change the name and  close the registry to Lusitanos 

Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on Wednesday

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Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on Wednesday

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Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on Wednesday

I will have a pure IALHA  foal this yr- with both  lusitano and spanish lines, from my  mare Scheherazade.  She is registered with the IALHA. Zade is a graying brown bay and she is bred to a son of  Saphiro, Named Lourinho AFA- who is a palomino. anyone looking for a well bred foal please do let me know. Louro is also registered of course.   thanks. susie

 

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Comment by Mary-Joe Figueira on Wednesday

Hi Susana - you really have done your research. I had never heard of this line of PREs. These are PREs right? Not Andalusians? I am not well versed in the Spanish breeds, but I was told that the Spanish do not recognize the Andalusian Breed.

Comment by Susana Rodriguez on December 2, 2011 at 3:28am

"The story of the Stud", by Mr. Jaime Guardiola Domínguez

The stud of the Heirs of Don Salvador Guardiola Fantoni is the result of an old family tradition that was centered in the town of Utrera (Sevilla) and as a livestock activity, and mainly breeding.Its earliest origins, we are talking about-documented origins date back to 1690. In that year, partition of property of Don Francisco Jiménez-Fowler-grandfather in 8th grade to their current owners, among the cattle he had in his farm "The Algarabejo" already mentioned "Thirty-five yeguasde collar, thirteen foals and fillies going for two years, the horse that is a father and knows horses, and yegüerizo blazed. " Subsequently, there are many testimonies that confirm the status of the family livestock. In 1778 Don José Jiménez-Fowler and Arias de Saavedra-great grandson of the above-makes donation to his daughter Isabel Jimenez and Ramirez de Leon Fowler of "Nineteen cattle mares of my livestock, several hairs and age, consisting in the last study performed by the council of this town of Utrera."  Already in the second half of the nineteenth century was Don Juan de los Rios and Matthew, husband of Doña Consolacion Ferreras Jiménez-Fowler and two great-great-Villamisar-current-owners who gave a decisive impetus to the stud that his wife had inherited family. In the book "Dictionary and Equestrian Sport" written in 1881 by Mr. Federico Huesca, a member of the Society of Equine Breeding Development in Spain and one of the best authorities in the matter, stating that: "Don Juan of livestock Rivers deserves singular attention as well as being one of the largest in Andalucia brings together the strength of the warhorse agility and elegance of the chair, all over Spain are the products of this breed, which has improved site with constant crossof herds in Retamales Viada Jimenez Moreno, de Arcos and the former Zapata, now Don Vicente Romero. If the exposures are horses of this breed is the opposite that is owned to all sorts of exhibitions.  The hair predominates thrush, also sold some brown, black and alazanes.Esta Winter livestock grazing on the vast and magnificent meadows that have in terms of Utrera Los Palacios y Alcalá de Guadaira and in the summer in the stubble of farmhouses that M. de los Rios holds in the above terms."  Upon the death of Don Juan de los Rios in 1901, a very important part of his stud of a clear-Carthusian-was at the hands of his granddaughter, Dona Consolacion Fantoni de los Rios, Countess of Líbar Jimera and wife of Don Salvador Guardiola Sunyer , having on his farm "Pinganillo" half of sixty mares, whose products were aimed in large part-as was customary at that time, the various agricultural tasks.  His name was entered in the Stud Book, 1914, owned a horse called "Miss" by 1'64 in height, which stood out for being an excellent player and also won several awards, one granted to a lot of mares, at the Exhibition held in Seville in 1929. His son Don Salvador Guardiola Fantoni, pursued the same passion for horse breeding Purebred Spanish, acquired in 1943 a lot of mares to Don Roberto Osborne: "Liron", "candid", "Campanera", "Gavineta ',' Gitana, "" joyful, "" Playful, "" Javelin "," Italy "," Jamaica "," hilarious "," Lizard "," Limonera "... which together with those he already had, from his parents, became the basis of its holding, curiously located in the same farmhouse where his great-grandfather was: Pinganillo and Valcargado, among other property located on the road to Isla Menor and acquired specifically for this purpose: The Isleton.  Very soon gained popularity the stud of Don Salvador Guardiola Fantoni, which won several awards in Ganado Selecto Exhibition held during the April Fair of Seville in 1944 and 1945, also obtaining many trophies to his death in 1972. Once he disappeared, was his son James, who already in his father's life had shared with him the address of the stud-who took charge of it, assisted in his responsibilities by his brother Luis (Champion of Spain and Harassmentdemolition) and having very present guidelines at the time that marked both his father and his brother Salvador, rejoneador died tragically in a run held in Palma de Mallorca in 1960 - for the selection and breeding of the Pure Spanish Horse.  From then until today, the herd has been steadily on the rise, getting the prize for the best farm in Seville in 1991, 1992 and 1994 as well as diplomas from the head of breeding for quality products 1979 and 1991, selling both stallions and mares and foals all over Spain and exported to many countries, mainly in Latin America.  Among the many examples of this herd that have received awards, could be highlighted as follows:  -CENTELLA V, Champion of Spain. Sevilla, 1984. Trophy Gold Medal of the board of Andalusia and the Real Maestranza.  -EDUCATED, First Prize Stallions and Champion stallion. Jerez de la Frontera, 1985 and Runner Up of Breed and First Prize Functionality Testing, Sevilla 1985.  Centella VI, Colts first prize two years. Jerez de la Frontera, 1984; Reserve Champion stallion, Jerez de la Frontera, 1985.  HISPANO-VIII, Champion stallion, Jerez de la Frontera, 1986.  -Barrilla, First Prize of mares over seven years and Reserve Champion of Breed, Sevilla, 1990.  Nadal V, First Prize Colts three years. Jerez de la Frontera, 1984.  -Victoriosa IV, First Prize in mares more than eight years. Jerez de la Frontera, 1988.  -FLASH III, First Prize Colts 2 years Jerez de la Frontera, 1988.  -EFFUSIVA, First Prize Fillies 1 year old. Jerez de la Frontera, 1988.  Educado X, First Prize two years Colts Gold Medal and Sevilla, 1992.  -ESCAP, First Prize Stallion 4, 5 and 6 years Gold Medal and Sevilla, 1993.  -Escapada II Second Prize mares 7 years, Silver Medal and Reserve Champion of Breed. Sevilla, 1993.  -Centinela IV, Second Prize of mares 4 years and 5 and Reserve Champion or Race. Sevilla, 1994. First  Mares Prix 4, 5 and 6 years and Málaga Gold Medal, 1994.  -Cornetinat, First Prize Mares 4, 5, b years, Gold Medal and Reserve Champion of Breed. Sevilla, 1996.  -Escape II, First Prize Stallion, Gold Medal Finalist in Spain. Málaga, 1996.

 

Comment by Brenda Gordon on December 1, 2011 at 1:52pm

Hi Muriel,

I am happy to see you here, saw your stallion some years ago on a CD.  Do you have him posted on youtube?

  You did a marvelous job with the Fiesta Midwest.  Hope to see more from you and your beautiful Soberbio.

 

I was reading the ANCCE site and noticed the symbols have changed on some of the pedigrees displayed.  I talked about that with Jennifer Stewart, Royal Horse Farms, and learned that when someone buys the rights to a brand that the display for the horses pedigree can change.  It seems a great loss, if the historical background we are looking for is the breeders symbol and it is changed.  I will send information or a link to it from my notebook with horse names from Guardiola line. 

 

Do you have any information about the changes I just mentioned? 

I personally only hold value in registration of the PRE with the ANCCE as they have high standards and verify lineage. 

 

I think Fuego XII gave the breed a great boost in the USA, saw his performance and the crowds reaction.  

 

Brenda

Comment by Muriel Chestnut on November 30, 2011 at 7:41pm

 Hi there to the person inquiring about the Guardiola line of the PRE! I assure you the Guardiola lines are still very popular and are included in some of the top bred PRE horses today! I am the proud owner of the PRE stallion SOBERBIO XII, who is by the Guardiola stallion EBANISTO, Champion of Spain and Grand Prix dressage competitor. I copied this description for your information, from my website where I have information regarding my stallions ancestry (his dam was Escalera). I am happy to speak to anyone with regard to breeding/importing PRE's!

The following is a brief historical description of the GUARDIOLA Stud:

"HEREDEROS DE SALVADOR GUARDIOLA FANTONI"
Created by Mr. Salvador GUARDIOLA Fantoni in 1943 with animals from the Roberto Osborne Stud Farm in Estepa: founding stock included 2 groups of mares and 3 stallions from the "pure bit" bloodline (Bocado line). The actual stud farm facilities are found in the country estates of El Pinganilo in Utrera and Las Isletones, in the middle of the marshlands of the Guadalquivir River. Horses include those that have won awards CENTELLA V Spanish Champion, CAMELA Spanish Champion. They have also won Best Stud Prizes in Seville and Malaga."

 

Comment by Mary-Joe Figueira on November 30, 2011 at 6:31pm

The Guardiola bloodlines I believe may come directly from a particular region in Spain (not sure which) that is why this blood line is very rare in the U.S. It may be an old blood line that is no longer bred.

I suggest you e-mail the ANCCE (Asociaion Nacional de Criadores de Caballos de Pura Raza Espanola). They have website.

The Iberian horses (Portuguese and Spanish) have very old bloodlines attached to these horses.

I have not heard of this bloodline, but then again, like I said, they are a very old breeds.

Cheers

Mary-Joe

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