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Latest Activity: Oct 28, 2013
Started by Pam Dawson Sep 13, 2012.
Started by Pam Dawson. Last reply by Susana Rodriguez Feb 14, 2012.
Started by Misti Seppi Feb 8, 2012.
Thanks so much, Mary-Joe. I'm glad to be here!
Hi Ainslie. Thanks for joining my group. I saw your horses and they are lovely.
I have a fifteen year old Andalusian mare schooling 3rd level dressage and a five year old X. I recently broke seven ribs on my trusted mare when she seemed to explode for no apparent reason. This is the link to my blog that tells the story:http://windflowerfarmweekly.blogspot.com/ You;ll need to scroll back though. It comes just before this one, Actually there are two of them. Also, "Trophies, An Equestrian Romance" just released on Kindle features an Andalusian stallion.
I'm new to the group. I've ridden for 25+ years English in Hunters and Dressage. Two years ago I switched to Western and love chasing cows around :-) I recently acquired my dream horse, a 4 year old, black-bay PRE mare from Escalera bloodlines. I'd wanted an Iberian horse for years and am thrilled to finally have one. She's in training right now and I plan to use her in cowhorse sports along with some trail riding. I'd love to also do Doma Vaquera but the competitions aren't available yet that I know of in California where I live. I'm also an artist and did a series of 3 bronze sculptures based on the Spanish horse a few years ago, never dreaming I'd actually finally acquire one. :-) My profile picture is of one of my bronzes of a black Andalusian.
Well, in that case, maybe I will buy one, or not! I am dreaming of course!
trust me he/she will be registered and if he is any good- the get from this cross
will sell huge and be a tremendous powerhouse in dressage and it wont matter what we call him as far as a cross or a breed affiliation- every sport bred reg will clamor for him or her.
Actually I choose to differ. I think if I were to buy a horse with Toto's bloodlines, I would make sure it was registered as a something. It sure will be interesting to see what lands. I have never seen a Lusitano crossed with a Warmblood, but I am sure there are lots.
I do not doubt what you have said. You do know your history well. I have a book that is a history of the Iberian Horse, as it was known way back when before Spain and Portugal renamed the lines. I still like to refer to the horses of the Iberian Peninsual as Iberian horses. I am not disputing that at one point they were called Andalusians. I also do not dispute that Lusitanos all have Spanish blood in them. To that affect, so do I. We were all Spanish at one point. What was "then" and what is "now" is completely different. Like you say the Spanish for political reasons, decided to remove the word Andalusian from the Spanish registry and call them PRE. I have never heard the Olympic horses being referred to as Andalusians, they are all referrred to as PRE. Even Fuego was referred to as a PRE. Yes I know the ILHA thinks that the Lusitano and Andalusians are the same breed and that the PRE is different. What is now is that Spain's horses are all classified as PREs. Portugal's horses are all Lusitanos and ILHA's registry are all Andalusians. No matter what you call them, to me they are all horses from the Iberian Blood lines. The ILHA will register any horse that has any Spanish bloodlines. Anything to increase memberships. I was not confused. I was well aware of the distinction between the PREs (formerly called Andalusians) and the Andalusian breed registry of the ILHA. But thanks for clarifying.
And to enlight you further, I´ll give you an example:
He is an Andalusian; because we do not have this denomination in Spain anymore, he is registered as a CDE (Spanish Sporthorse) If he was in the USA, he could be registered in the IALHA as a Pure Andalusian S/P; in Portugal, he would be an unpapered horse.
Further to the History that I have posted below, I have to add:
That you are confusing the concept of "Andalusian" that the IALHA has as of today, with the original concept they had when they were created.
Whe the IALHA was created, they said that the Andalusian and the Lusitano horse, were the same breed and they were called Andalusian. I, personally say this is true and not only myself, but many others in Spain, specially in the south. EDUARDO AGÚERA CARMONA, for example, in his book "Cordoba, caballos y Dehesas", tells the history of the Andalusian Horse in the same way.
The Lusitano horse is a Spanish horse and comes from selected Spanish bloodlines, until the Spanish decided to close the Registry .
Naming the Andalusian Horse "PRE" was a pure act of politics, iniciated and forced by breeders of Andalusian Horses who were in the North of Spain ( Catalonia) and saw the name PRE as a better marketing tool, since they were not in Andalucía, of course.
These same people are now, trying to get a hold of the Registry, spreading rumours and lies about the horse in Andalucía; attracting international favour to their side; changing the morphology of the breed towars a warmblood looking horse... in a nutshell, the war against the Andalusian horse, comes now from within.
The IALHA, could have been a wonderful defense for the Andalusian Horse, until they started to accept crosses as "half Andalusians" and unpapered horses as Andalusians, after DNA testing. They created the term Pure andalusian P and S ... they were obviously David fighting Goliath and were wiped out off international recognition.
I hope I have helped to clear out the concept "Andalusian" from both points of view: the historical point of view in Spain and the IALHA in the USA, which is, Mary Joe, what you seem to be confusing.
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