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EvaZ replied to E. Allan Buck's discussion 'Lost art of classical dressage'
>I have avoided the competition route because I don't like how it can lead to compromises of the horses' best interest.   You are not alone. There is millions of us. The German Equestrian Federation - ever hungry for more…
Jan 6, 2011
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EvaZ replied to E. Allan Buck's discussion 'Lost art of classical dressage'
Lucke, adding to the causes (and a possible solution) of damning down the riding in general, I think one must go back to the recent history and what happened in Germany back in 30 years ago. It was in Germany, where they came up with a…
Jan 4, 2011
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EvaZ replied to E. Allan Buck's discussion 'Lost art of classical dressage'
>do you ride at all??? it sure doesn't sound like it! You are in a dangerous territory here trying to get personal.Because it made me look at your picture. And what I saw is a rider putting more pressure on the horse's lower bar by…
Dec 31, 2010
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EvaZ commented on Jackie Cochran's blog post 'A Tale of Two Spines'
The only time, the hind legs can land directly under the CG is when the horse stands up. In that instance, the horse is supporting itself with two legs only and becomes highly unstable. Current research disputed any notion, that the horse uses only…
Dec 8, 2010
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EvaZ commented on Jackie Cochran's blog post 'A Tale of Two Spines'
I agree. The word "collected" had meant a shorter ballistic curve, with somewhat higher magnitude, than in "uncollected". The word collected was reserved for shorter stepping, accompanied by reactivity. But I would be very…
Dec 8, 2010
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EvaZ commented on Jackie Cochran's blog post 'A Tale of Two Spines'
Ballistic curves. We all move along them. In the piaffe, the ballistic curve is close to none. We can sit upright comfortably. Collected, shorts gaits - again, the ballistic curve is short, should be of low impact, we can sit upright, comfortably.…
Dec 7, 2010
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EvaZ commented on Jackie Cochran's blog post 'A Tale of Two Spines'
Hi Jackie, thank you for this very useful topic. The problem with an older literature in general, is that the authors observed certain behavior and than they looked for an explanation. While their observation was correct, the explanation was weird.…
Dec 7, 2010
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EvaZ replied to E. Allan Buck's discussion 'Lost art of classical dressage'
I will one more thing to the association with fatigue phenomena. Once we "succeed" crating one, we can expect all kinds of resistance from the horse, depending on the psychological make-up of the horse. Some react with nervousness in the…
Nov 27, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
Yes, they can. Just because they can, it does not mean they should, or it is healthy. I am a tall women with a rather fragile bone structure, no "upholstry" anywhere, yet a typical female pelvis, that allows hips to fly wide and tilt…
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
Somebody calculated that the dressage curb can translate force exerted by a rider up to 100 times. It means, 1kg of your pressure can be multiplied to 100kg of squeezing force acting upon the jaw bone of the animal. If the rider feels good, and…
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
Here is another thought on curbs, and it regards classical dressage this time. There is a widely distributed saying throughout the classical text, that the use of the curb must be (yes, it is demanded by the classical Masters!!!) accompanied with a…
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
I know, Margaret. I am not alone. Not anymore. People don't throw rocks at me as they used to :-) A lot of things have happened since, and the rollkur has made many people aware of animal welfare issues in the dressage ring. However, this is a…
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
I think we need to separate two different uses of curbs here. One - heavily cririticized - is the method produced by rollkur, where no release ever happens (or happens, but not very frequently). Therefore, the rider hangs on the curb and it is…
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
>The curb actually relaxes the jaw Challenge me. Explain the physiology of such relaxation. Better yet - do you find any example in the human physiology, where such instrumentation in the mouth of the human would produce anything but helpless…
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
Margaret, that is nice. Fuego provided crowd with huge entertainment. People project their own feeling on animals, that's natural. But it also clouds their judgment. See the article on psychology surrounding natural horsemanship.
Oct 15, 2010
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EvaZ replied to Brenda Gordon's discussion 'WEG Freestyle with Fuego XII-Spanish Style'
Brenda, you have mention, you would like to breed your mare to Fuego. May I ask what motivates PRE breeders to perpetuate paddling in their breed? Fuego paddles a lot, not just in the front, but very unsightly also in the hind (viewed from behind).…
Oct 15, 2010

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At 9:23am on October 5, 2010, Brenda GordonBrenda Gordon said…
sorry for the double reply, it was not clear if the first comment went, some computer glich.as the screen popped up asking for my comment again.

i also read and agreed with the explanation of the 'trail of money' and can only hope more people become aware of the damage done by rushing horses thru training beyond their physical development.
At 9:19am on October 5, 2010, Brenda GordonBrenda Gordon said…
Hi Eva,
Thanksfor the reply and explanation.I too ride all my horses with out a bit in the arena, i don't believe we can yet do a dressage test bitless, there is always the possibility.
i find that relaxing hold on the bit is better than trying to ride when the horse is pushing against it. so if this is submission, not relaxation then it does give us the opportunity to communicate. it works and so does the neck exercise for warm up. i think it must be similar for the horse to me stretching before i ride or do other exercises.
At 9:15am on October 5, 2010, Brenda GordonBrenda Gordon said…
hi Eva,
nice reply and thanks for taking time to explain. i too ride with no bit on all my horses in my arena. i don't know if we could show our dressage tests with bitless bridle but maybe in the future.

i know that submission is better than fighting and it allows my horse to relax and listen to my other aids, rather than pushing against my hands. i still find that my animal is more relaxed with the neck warm up practice and i feel it to be like myself stretching.
At 10:47am on October 4, 2010, Brenda GordonBrenda Gordon said…
I left out an explanation that my instructor is Ellin Daum, long-time student of Jean Claude Racinet. I was lucky to have found her, she understood that some methods are not in the best interest of the horse, she suffered with poor trainers too. JCR taught her very well how to get the horse relaxed and we always warm up our horse on the ground before we ride. Relaxation is the key.
At 10:37am on October 4, 2010, Brenda GordonBrenda Gordon said…
Hi Eva,
I was reading some of the previous discussion and found the references to JCR,
As I was reading it came to my mind that you may have made a point of not liking "flexion of the jaw' but you might have been thinking that it meant something different than how we use it.
I wanted to tell you what it means to me and how Ellin has us use the flexion to relax the horse.
Please know that at no time, ever, would Ellin ask her students to perform Rolkur. She abhors the use of it and showed me her video by Dr. H as soon as she purchased it.
Flexion of the jaw is NOT ROLKUR at all. While on the ground we use the flexion to release the jaw and relax the horse prior to riding. We also flex the neck from side to side to relax the neck muscles. My horses expect and enjoy this little warm up. Michael Shaffer also shows both excercises.
When mounted we use flexion of the jaw to relax the horse. By holding the outside rein in a fixed position as if you were in a walk, collected, and that means at a different place for each horse according to their own ability to hold their body in collection, like a little less collected for a beginner, the with the inside rein you close your hand, like squeezing a sponge, the horse will open the jaw and bend at the poll to allow the release of the bit. This is an action of relaxation as the jaw muscle flexes.
So this is the method I use and it has allowed me to get a very resitant mare to relax her muscles and come into the bit. Now let me explain that the process has taken her months to understand and to trust me. She was very resistant and not trusting and I decided the time was worth the results I would get.
Now the slightest movement of the inside rein, like the easy squeeze of a sponge will get the mare to relax her poll and drop her head.



I hope to hear from you to let me know if I am following your thinking.
Brenda
At 2:46am on August 24, 2010, KatyM., Community NewsKatyM., Community News said…
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