She and Matthias, who wasn't there for out talk, usually interview far more qualified people than me. The talk was mostly horse training and cattle, but we veered slightly into whorls.

As Lauren puts it, we talked about my "perspective as a rancher on training animals, the use of positive reinforcement with livestock, and what it takes to get a Guinness Book of World Records record for most tricks performed by a cow named Ghost.

Also, teaching horses to generalize responses to pressure as Life Skill 101, the little-known power of doing a shared job with a working animal, and the role reversal of Noche’s dog’s wants compared to Matthias’ dog. "

It was a ton of fun. Come join us and have a listen. You can find it on Spotify here:

[https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Vfg5MjuKKKCpx4MAOwHvW](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Vfg5MjuKKKCpx4MAOwHvW...)