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Comment by wildehex on June 9, 2012 at 12:09pm

I agree with you (and actually use to do western eq at a national level), but the 'technical stuff' esp about the degree of bend vs straightness and what the proper aids are is KEY to the exercises success.  The vaquero tradition understood this, and upheld the traditional precepts. 

I am trying to be part of the development of western dressage classes,but such tradition does not ignore why certain exercises are used.  i.e. si can be used to straighten the horse for a depart but the question is WHY it 'works' and what the aids for si are. If either is wrong, or the angle too steep or the horse too straight, there will be less chance for success.  Or question, why the depart is crooked in the first place.

Comment by Randy Byers Horsemanship on June 9, 2012 at 3:40am

The big difference between Western Dressage and Classical is that we keep it simple and do not get all bent around all the technical stuff. After all its a horse not machine. The "KEY"  is to keep it simple without losing the value of practical dressage.

Comment by wildehex on June 9, 2012 at 3:27am

And there is a difference between flexion inside, and bending.  It is better to have flexion inside, or to do shoulder-fore (less tracks then shoulder in....2 1/2 tracks...insie hind shows between the forelegs rather than being hidden by outside fore).  KEY to using shoulder in is that shoulders are being mobilized.  Also key is how to get into the movement (stepping onto the circle) and how to straighten the horse (move the shoulders back).  And most importantly that it comes from inside leg closer to the girth and into the outside rein.  If it is too straight through the body then it is leg yielding not sf or si.

Comment by Randy Byers Horsemanship on June 8, 2012 at 10:47am

Thank you for adding more insight to this simplified video wildehex. In the video I state that it is a three track movement with the hind end straight in relationship to the direction of travel and a slight bend to the inside. At this riders level, it was not necessary to use highly technical terms to illustrate the practical application. I only state the basic movement that is normally use down the rail. This video is not an explanation of how, but what it is and my other video explains a practical application for this movement to fix a crooked canter departure.  

Comment by wildehex on June 8, 2012 at 10:32am

Shoulder in can be three tracks (first step of a 10 m circle) or four tracks (first step of 6 or 8m volte), it has to do with the degree of bending.

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