"Researchers urge rethink of 'Monty Roberts' horse training method"

 

I think this is a fascinating view of Monty Robert's methods of "join-up" and of the use of the round pen. Something worth considering. I've also provided a link to his response.

 

Researchers urge rethink of 'Monty Roberts' horse training method July 13, 2012 Enlarge Researchers used a remote control car to mimic the actions of a trainer using the Join-Up method, undermining the idea of a human-horse connection. (Phys.org) -- Aspects of a horse training method made famous by Monty Roberts, author of the The Man Who Listens to Horses, have been called into question by research at the University of Sydney.

"This training technique was popularised worldwide by Roberts as the Join-Up method and was used by him to train Queen Elizabeth's horses at her personal request," said Cath Henshall, a Master of Animal Science candidate in the Faculty of Veterinary Science at the University. Henshall led the research and is presenting her findings at the International Society for Equitation Science conference in Edinburgh on 17 July.

"Two main features of the method, also known as round pen horse training, are that it depends on the human trainer being able to communicate with the horse using 'horse' body language, and that it is a humane form of training.

Our study casts doubt on both those claims. "We believe that our research highlights the unpleasant underpinnings of round pen horse training and for that reason we caution against its widespread use because it uses fear to gain control of horses."

As currently practised the technique relies on the trainer using movement and noise to drive the horse around the perimeter of the pen. The trainer gradually reduces their aggressive movements, after which the horse will eventually slow down and approach them.

The researchers used remote control cars to mimic the technique and to eliminate the assumed essential role of the humans speaking the language of the horse. "We 'rewarded' the horses for stopping and turning towards the car with a period of 'safety', when the car didn't chase them as long as they kept facing it. We trained some horses to actually walk up to and touch the car," said Henshall. "Given that we could train horses to produce similar, though not identical responses to those seen in round pen training, but in reaction to non-human stimuli undermines the claim that the human's ability to mimic horse behaviour is an essential component of the technique."

The researchers believe that the training outcomes were achieved as a result of 'pressure-release' and not the ability of the trainer, or a remote control car, to mimic horse behavior. "Put simply, pressure-release works because the horse finds the pressure applied unpleasant and therefore the removal of the pressure rewarding," said Henshall.

The response the horse makes immediately before the pressure is removed is what the horse thinks made the pressure go away. When put in the same situation in the future, it is likely to perform that same behaviour to obtain the outcome that it values - safety. "Although neither Monty Roberts' method nor ours uses pressure applied directly to the horse's body, both apply a form of emotional pressure by scaring and then chasing the horse."

Proponents of Join-Up and similar methods claim not only that they are humane because no equipment is used on the horse's body but also that the horse can choose whether to approach the trainer. "Our results indicate that because these methods rely on fear and safety, the horse is forced to choose between being repeatedly frightened or remaining with the trainer.

We question whether it is humane to rely on fear and its termination to train horses," said Henshall. "Although it is appealing to think that horses in the round pen choose to follow their trainers because they are responding to us as though we are a horse, we believe that the use of fear has no place in genuinely humane and ethical horse training."

Provided by University of Sydney

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-07-urge-rethink-monty-roberts-horse.html#jCp

 

Monty Roberts' Response: http://horsetalk.co.nz/2012/07/24/monty-roberts-fights-science-with...

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Comment by E. Allan Buck on August 10, 2012 at 1:10am

I believe from my experience that there is a distinct difference between pressure and fear.

I am the leader of an eight horse herd under the auspice of the therapy program I volunter for.

The head of the program has actually observed how I have become the leader without use of fear but rather of mutual respect.

Comment by Geoffrey Pannell on August 10, 2012 at 12:39am

how is unpleasent ( applying pressure) the same as fear?? You mush apply pressure to get a response , it's how much and when to release the pressure that gets the response. Are they saying that no pressure must be applied? how is that going to work on an animal that learns by operant conditioning ( pressure, release). Horses teach each other by applying pressure how is that fear?

Comment by E. Allan Buck on August 9, 2012 at 10:14am

Round pen work is simply subjugation of the horse.

The proof is in doing the same thing in an arena where the horse has the opportunity to avoid the human.

The protocols used in proving or disproving a method must include a system whereby the human claims can be tested without human controls put in place.

Mr. Roberts simply uses domination and subjugation.  He could not accomplish anything if he attempted in an open arena.  Why, because the horses could evade him and his inhumane energy.

Comment by MagsNMe on August 7, 2012 at 5:53pm

Interesting.  My baby boy is now at my trainers to do a bit of work, she uses a round pen.  Now my child is not afraid of humans, he's been handled quite a bit.  He's unlikely to be fearful in the pen (he also knows how to move away from pressure, tie, etc).  However, I have to think that a horse straight from the field would have a significantly different response.

Actually, today he was in her barn for the first time, tied, and wangled part of his halter around into his mouth, and had the tie taught, his response was not to panic, but to wait for Mom to fix it.  That's not something you get from a fearful horse, as Marlene notes.

Comment by Marlene Thoms on August 7, 2012 at 12:01pm

I am reminded that often during discussions of training, people will say "But it works!". There are a number of methods which "work", but I would not necessarily used because I think fear based methods are not only ethically wrong, but can lead to dangerous results. An animal which is responding based on fear can be unreliable, or be developing other anxieties which can backfire in the long run. An animal which responds out of trust is more likely to be reliable in a difficult situation, just MHO.

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