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RollKur or Hyperflexion
The other day, my young dressage students who are also 4H members came and asked me about Rollkur. Well, I'd never herd of it, but after seeing some videos and pictures on youtube, I am more than a little disturbed by this training method; however, I know nothing about the logistics of it. It seems to be very wide spread and used by Anky and Isabelle at the International levels.
Can you please help me to understand the theory, practicality, benefits and risks to using this technique?
Can you please help me to understand the theory, practicality, benefits and risks to using this technique?
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Permalink Reply by Bernd on
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Hm,
the debate about physiological effects is interesting, but I think its missing the point.
Also the aim of any training technique is not to create a funtional athlete, at least not primarily. It is to win the competition!
If rollkur leads to win, than that is what the athletes will do. Afterwards people will find some "scientific evidence" that it doesn't hurt the horse or even makes it better, or easier or.....never mind. Its all done only to reach the ultimate goal: To win!
So I claim that as long as we don't change the system of dressage performance evaluation, we will not be able to prevent people to ride this way. Or, any other way that they feel is giving better scores.
Let's face it. The top riders are in it for winning (and money) not for the well being of horses. This is serious business.
I'm not saying they wouldn't love their horses. Riding is not a sport that you could do very well without an emotional attachement to horses, but at the top level the horse is a sport item, similar like the racing car for a formula 1 driver.
So, it doesn't matter how much scientific evidence we have one way or the other, they just want to win!
C'est la vie!
Bernd
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Permalink Reply by Anna Hawke on
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The only mental abuse associated with Rollkur is the mental abuse the riders of that method have to endure and suffer from the people who choose not to ride in Rollkur method and have negative things to say about it.
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What the FEI needs to address is sportsmanship. When I tell people who know nothing about dressage the degree of controversy over Rollkur they ask 'Why on earth would anybody want to be involved in that sport? It sounds awful.' and they are certainly not referring to the Rollkur riding method being awful. What other sport do you know of where the amateurs in the sport condemn the top performers? And they do so loudly with the utmost disrespect and they won't stop until somebody pays attention to them. What other sport do you know of where the complaining voice of the amateurs is entertained by and taken seriously by the governing bodies of the sport over the professionals?
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It is no better than a witch hunt.
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If the FEI made a rule that every dressage rider in the world had to train their horses using Rollkur than I could understand the need for people to voice opposition to the system. However the fact of the matter is that there is not a problem with Rollkur there are good riders who use the system and other riders who are not good at it. The same case holds true for the classical method of dressage, there are riders who use the system well and others who do not ride well using the classical method. The point of the sport is for a rider to learn and grow with their horse and all the horses they are blessed to know in their lifetime. Not to try and cut down others who are better at it than you.
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Correction; I meant to end my last post by saying "Not to try and cut down others who are better at it than them." Rather than what I did write "Not to try and cut down others who are better at it than you."
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Threatening somebody's life is a crime. There are many many crimes committed in this world. It is a twisted idea to imply if somebody receives a death threat that the receiver is guilty of wrong doing. The person, or the group of people who issue death threats are clearly without a shadow of a doubt the ones in the wrong. IF you are saying because somebody threatens another’s life that the person who's life was threatened is guilty, you have that backwards.
There are a lot of things people don't like that other people do; it does not make what the other person is doing wrong. There is not a problem with Rollkur, there is a problem with the people who despise it. It is a training method for a horse. No more and no less. If people don't like it than they should by no means ride that way.
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Rollkur is a training method. If somebody not trained in the method gets on a horse, forces its nose to the chest and rides that horse around and around for awhile that is not resemblance of Rollkur; none. Yet most of the people who despise the Rollkur method would believe it is the very same thing advanced trainers who use hyper flexion are doing. It is not.
If I took a person who never did yoga and forced them into an advanced position with my hands I could damage their body for life. That does not mean there is something wrong with a person who practices advanced moves of yoga successfully every day of their life.
The witch hunt should stop.
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I got my facts that there is nothing wrong with Rollkur from the statement made by the FEI. As for opinion my opinion is that the only abuse I see happening is the abuse the riders of the Rollkur system are endure from the people who have decided they do not like what they are doing.
It is in my opinion a black mark in the sport of dressage; and the black mark is by no means the Rollkur system. The black mark is the way the riders of the system have been treated and spoken about.
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Riders being threatened indicate there is a problem with the person who is threatening them, not with the rider. When somebody is threatened because of the color of their skin do you think there is a problem with a person who has a different color of skin? I will tell you that it is a fact that there is not a problem with that. I reiterate riders being threatened tells that there is a problem with the person who is doing the threatening.
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I digress from previous posts to say to people who hate and despise “Rollkur”… Face it; Anky is in a class all of her own. So is her system of riding now termed Rollkur and it is her system, not yours. Most people will never, ever, ever understand what she is doing, and will never be as successful as her. Just like most people who play basketball will never, ever, ever be as good at basketball as Michael Jordon I’d like to tell the people who want to hurt her in the very false name of “compassion for the horse” to leave her alone and get off her back.
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Permalink Reply by Jackie Cochran on
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I'm just wondering
Does anybody use Rollkur/Hyperflexion/LDR anywhere else than in the arena?
Can someone safely ride a horse in Rollkur/Hyperflexion/LDR on the trail or in a field with uneven ground?
I had been taught that the front feet cannot (or do not) touch down on the ground in front of a line drawn vertically down from the nose. Does this apply to a horse in Rollkur/Hyperflexion/LDR?
Do horses trained in Rollkur/Hyperflexion/LDR have fewer hock problems than classically trained horses?
How does R/H/L do to the muscle development of the neck of an ewe necked horse?
Are there any differences between these systems in how the neck's muscles develop?
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