How do I find out where my horse is registered?

When I first got him he had a set of registration transfer papers - these have been lost in moves and some chaos.
I still have his pedigree, brand inspection, vet records etc.
How can I find out which organization he is registered with, please?

I have asked the previous owner and she does not remember.

He is a Dutch warm blood.

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Permalink Reply by Jan Jollymour on July 30, 2009 at 5:59pm

Hi, Andre:

Do you know where he was bred? If he's Dutch, he's probably registered with either the KWPN (Holland) or the KWPN.NA (USA). However, he may be of Dutch origin, and registered Oldenburg, which is quite possible, or even another WB registry. The registries are usually locatable on the Web, and they all have e-mail contacts. Do you recall whether or not his papers were a particular colour? Or perhaps in a little plastic booklet? Some Westfalens have pink papers, and horses born/registered in Holland usually have little red plastic booklets.

If you have his pedigree, you will possibly have his registration number, or at least those of his parents. I would start by writing to the two Dutch registries and asking about offspring of that sire/dam born in his year. If he's registered Dutch, his name may also be a clue (if it's his original name) as it will start with the letter corresponding with his year of birth (i.e.: M - 1994, N - 1995, O - 1996, P - 1997, etc.). The Dutch skipped X. If he's registered Trakehner, his name should start with the first letter of his dam's name, and if he's Hannoverian, with the first letter of his sire's name.

His pedigree will also allow you to search databases on the various web sites, which can also help you locate his registry. Even though you think he's Dutch, he could be 1/2 TB, and registered as such in NA.

This should at least get you started....if you provide his sire's and dam's anems that would help...

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Permalink Reply by Andre Steenkamp on July 31, 2009 at 12:20am

His registered name is Royal Mark. If I remember correctly he is cross Dutch Warm blood and thoroughbred. He was bred in Aspen Colorado. That is as much as I know - I'll continue to dig.

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Permalink Reply by Andre Steenkamp on July 31, 2009 at 9:58am

So after some searching and digging through papers I found his father's info - Hallmark 1993 - Dutch/TB registered with the Jockey club no 8015073

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Permalink Reply by Andre Steenkamp on July 31, 2009 at 10:00am

So 1998 would Q?

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Permalink Reply by Jan Jollymour on July 31, 2009 at 10:29am

Hi, Andre:

I doubt that he's registered as anything, with the possible exception of Oldenburg. It appears that his father was registered 1/2 TB, and it's not possible to register anything as 1/4 TB, however, if his mother was TB (Shaka's) he could still be registered with the JC as 1/2 TB.

In 1993 the NA-KWPN (as it was then known), the North American arm of the KWPN, was still registering offspring with one Dutch parent as Dutch, they no longer do that, but what it does mean is that it's possible that Hallmark was originally registered with both the JC and with the NA-KWPN, and it would be work checking with the NA-KWPN to find out. Unless Royal Mark had a full Dutch dam, and Hallmark was an approved Dutch stallion, Royal Mark would not be registered with the KWPN in either NA or Holland, but he could have been presented for approval as an Oldenburg, and registered with them. I think by 1998 both parents had to be registered Dutch and the stallion approved by the KWPN in order for registration to be completed as a "Dutch" horse.

Have you found any information about Royal Mark's dam? That's another place to look...

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Permalink Reply by Andre Steenkamp on July 31, 2009 at 10:54am

Thank you - I appreciate the help.
His father was registered with AHSA as well as the Jockey club so I am following these paths for now.

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Permalink Reply by Michelle Synnot on July 31, 2009 at 4:48pm

brand inspection:

If he's branded he's not just registered with the jockey club, in north america TB's are tattooed under their upper lip..

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Permalink Reply by Andre Steenkamp on July 31, 2009 at 5:10pm

He is not branded, a brand not required for brand inspection.

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Permalink Reply by Michelle Synnot on July 31, 2009 at 5:12pm

oh, I never knew that...never mind! (0:

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Permalink Reply by Jan Jollymour on July 31, 2009 at 5:49pm

Hi, Andre:

AHSA is not a breed organization or registry. It was the American Horse Shows Association, but Shaka may have had an HID with them, in which case you would have (or should have) received transfer papers for the HID from the vendor when you bought him.

The more information becomes available the less likely it appears that he's actually registered with a breed organization. Unless his dam was TB he's not eligible as a 1/2 TB, and there's no registry for anything that's 1/4 Dutch, unless his mother was registered Dutch. If you can trace the HID with USEF, they may have (they now require it) copies of his original registration papers in his file, if he had any and if they were provided at the time his HID was set up. I would check with USEF to see if they have anything on file for Royal Mark, and/or Shaka, and see if any of it matches. You could also check with USDF, which also requires an HID, and which requires as well a copy of any applicable registration papers.

As he's a gelding his papers don't really mean a lot, with the exception of tracing and updating his HID, which you need for competition purposes.

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Permalink Reply by Andre Steenkamp on July 31, 2009 at 6:10pm

I found a Royal Mark DOB 3/1997 with farther Hallmark and mother Royal Falcon in the USEF website.This horse is listed color as Bay/White -- he is a pinto - flee-bitten where his skin is dark color and white where his skin is white.
Coincidence ..... dunno?

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Permalink Reply by Jan Jollymour on July 31, 2009 at 8:26pm

Okay - now you've got some solid information. It sounds like this is your horse, and that he carries the greying gene. For example, my Trakehner mare is registered chestnut, but she's now grey, and her full brother is registered black, but he's now grey as well. He has black "flea bites" and she will have chestnut ones.

The name Royal Falcon sounds like something which might be registered with the Jockey Club, but might also be a registered Paint or something like that. Dutch bloodlines carry genes which can contribute to broken colour - the Samber and Art Deco lines, for instance. I have a Dutch mare who has a white body splash on her belly, 4 white socks and a blaze, and she's full "Dutch", in other words, both parents were of full Dutch parentage, registered and approved for breeding by the KWPN.

It's quite possible that your horse is not a "registered" anything, except with USEF and/or USDF, but that doesn't make him (especially since he's a gelding) any less valuable to you. "Registered" warmbloods are really Heinz 57's, but the registries are much more particular about the quality of the offspring than the parentage, which makes it confusing for those of us born and bred in NA, as we're used to thinking of "purebred" and "registered" as being just about the same thing, given our exposure to Arabians and Throroughbreds.

I would check the Hallmark name with the KWPN, and KWPN.NA, and the Jockey Club, and I'd probably check the "Royal Falcon" name with the JC and the KWPN organizations as well as the Paint people. Does what's on file at USEF tell you anything about the bloodlines - even just dam/sire names? That would help with the next steps...