I do not know what this is all about, but there must be a smoking manure pile to have this case going this route.

 

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Comment by Marlene Thoms on April 5, 2012 at 7:37pm

Allan, I am sorry you see my comments that way. I am not "siding" with milla, or against you. In fact I am more supportive of you than you think, but I realize you may not care about that. All I care about is the horse, who is the only one who is really wearing the bad effects of this, and his owner of course if traumatized I am sure. I realize you are passionate about the issue, but I also find that being not quite so confrontational sometimes allows me to make my point better. If you opperate differently, go for it. If you want to chew me out too, that's your priviledge. Mr. Parra has apparently nice facilities and a loyal staff. That has nothing to do with Willaim's issues, and that was my point. People associate abuse with run down farms and sham horse rescues. That's not always the case, as we all know abuse also happens at the top eschelons of the horse world, where people have more resources for covering things up. Young people may be so impressed by the poshness of a facility that they can't believe this goes on. Heck I'd probably be impressed if I went there. But if there are young people who read this person's report, they will tend to "side" with a calm and reasoned response. Parra's defense tactic has been partly to attack you, and your passionate responses are clouding your message, and for some, feeding right in to his diversion. Sometimes people, like some horses, tend to listen to the tone of voice, not the message, not the facts. I am just really hoping that the justice system comes out with the right outcome, but I have been disappointed by it before, so we just have to be patient.

Comment by E. Allan Buck on April 5, 2012 at 6:15pm

Go on to the Chronicle of the Horse forum and see that she posted the same thing.

OH and for a college student, her spelling is sooo bad.

Seems that she has an agenda and is not who she claims to be.

So Marlene Thoms, thanks for siding with an apparent fraud.

Comment by Marlene Thoms on April 5, 2012 at 4:50pm

Thankyou milla for your report. I believe that the more concerned individuals  become involved the more there is to learn from William's unfortunate experience. I actually believe what you have concluded about the facilities at Mr. Parra's barn. I hope that in the interests of giving a balanced picture you also observe William at his facility and that you are welcomed there. I also think that it is possible to harm an animal without the intention of doing so, but directly with the way we handle them, correctly or not, and that an expert should be expected to know the difference. Whether that happened in this case, is for the legal system to judge, although I also think all the evidence should be available for the public to also judge. I also think that any one's opinion of Mr. Buck, positive or negative really has nothing to do with what happened to William. It's about the horse, and who had responsability for the constraints or practises that led to his very tragic outcome. If we all just assume it was a freak accident, what is to stop it from happening again. If we all learn as much as possible about why it happened, perhaps we can prevent this type of outcome. Discussion, openness, truth, that is what we need in any case where an animal is harmed while in the care of humans. If 100 horses come out beautifully, great. If one horse is harmed, we need to examine the practices and make sure it never happens again.

Comment by E. Allan Buck on April 5, 2012 at 4:37pm

Oh and since you are calling me a liar, please state 'facts' that validate your claim.

Otherwise, you have committed slander and libel.

 

Comment by E. Allan Buck on April 5, 2012 at 4:36pm

I dare say your arrogance is in a league with Mr. Parra.

A judge has already ruled against Mr. Parra and has ruled that punitive damages can be asked for because sufficient evidence exists as to the 'gross negligence' on the part of Mr. Parra.

We in America suffer from the star power syndrome in which highly esteemed individuals can do no wrong....seems that was the basis for the rise in power of Hitler.

Comment by milla frosting on April 5, 2012 at 3:55pm

For a college project I began following this story. I have been following along with all of the opinions of this event. With the court date so near for Dr. Parra I went to his Florida farm to speak with him and see the facility for my self. Upon my arrival there I was greated very kindly especially for being a complete stranger. My impression of the barn walking in was beautiful and so clean. The staff there was super nice.

           The employees in this barn was dressed in a very professional fashion. Yes they have barn shirts, a uniform. Same as if you were working at starbucks or any other job to say the least. These people were proud to be part of such a team.
     Also this barn is different from others. 40 horses compose dr. parras barn. A much larger scale then most barns.
   They take 16 horses at a time to shows. This team works very hard with such a large client base.
  I found he has clients in his barn that have been there 10 years and are still as happy as the day they got there.
  Dr.Parra his self has over 300 FEI wins, over 150 CDI wins, and with only being a U.S citizen for two years has already been a national champion and was on the gold winning Pan Am team.
They have sold over 100 horses.

So you guys are right this barn is very different from the others. It has such a large client base and has so many horses. There is deffientally a greater chance of being pert of an accident. If you have only two horses the odds are much less. Its just a fact plan and simple. In any business any school anything. The larger the number the more likely for something to happen. Why so you think people do studies???
Talking with Dr. Parra I found how remorseful he feels towards Willaims accident.
It might not be the barn for you to train. Why do you think that there are so many trainers out there....What works for one person doesn't always work for another. So I wish them the best and my experience at this barn was truely a good one. I have no doubts in my heart he loves animals, is a good horseman, and a kind person.
I wish him and his team the very best and I would love to see him represent this country.

P.s.- Just because someone ( Mr.Buck) has a loud voice doesn't always mean its truthful or full of knowledge.

Comment by E. Allan Buck on March 31, 2012 at 8:58pm

No I do not think it is outside sources.   I think they have evidence sufficient to charge him with a felony, however, I do not know of what.....contract fraud, deceptive trade practices......????

Comment by Marlene Thoms on March 31, 2012 at 8:45pm

It means the case might go to a higher court and involve felony charges. That would be for a Grand Jury to decide, they look at what evidence is available, so it's a little like a rehearsal for a trial. If they think there's a case then it is no longer handled in municiple court. Why someone would want it to go this route? Maybe Peta or someone is trying to make it higher profile?

Comment by E. Allan Buck on March 31, 2012 at 7:55pm

The prosecution has put the case before a grand jury regarding possible indictment for a felony......

Comment by Barbara F. on March 31, 2012 at 5:15pm

Allan, please let us know what happens on the 5th. I don't really understand the attached. What does this mean is happening?

Thanks.

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