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Comment by Mary McGuire Smith on January 22, 2010 at 7:18pm

Well, of course, slc, that is another story. I have certainly done that, but generally speaking (which is why I said I rarely get on, rather than never LOL) the rider comes to the clinic expecting to ride their own horse--and they are at a level where they generally understand the training scale. Then it is just a question of prioritizing what exercises will help them to progress in their horse's training, or what key understanding of theory points will help them progress.

Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on January 22, 2010 at 1:17pm

ok we agree to disagree- i have been asked by clinicians if they can get on and I have said no---- believe me- when i do my clinics over 3 days i do get on the horses and while I try to adhere to a time limit I have to be able to show some students and help the horses- so then I can help the students. Nothing is ever black and white- is it- and with some situations you just have to do what time and energy, and the rapport allows.

Comment by Elizabeth J. Chilcott on January 22, 2010 at 1:12pm

I would have to agree with Mary that unless this was a clinician who sees you on an ongoing basis, getting on a student's horse can be a time waster unless there is a very specific problem you are trying to address. And as a student having a clinician , big name or not, get on my horse when i have yet to develop a rapport and trust in this person can be a disaster if the clinician takes an approach you do not agree with.

Comment by Mary McGuire Smith on January 22, 2010 at 1:07pm

I think the trainer should get on their regular students' horses occasionally, but as a clinician, I rarely climb on during the clinic. It is a very short period of time that you have to see this person, and you have to get right to the priority of the work, so they can continue on when you leave.

Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on January 22, 2010 at 12:58pm

I agree with getting on the horse. I do tons of colt starting and working with young horses for the first 100 days for clients- and no not qh's... but all breeds and when I am teaching I always get on to see what is causing the horse to stick or to stop or to surge forward against the rider- and of course without riding the horse I have to guess- with the ride- I can feel it.

Comment by Tamara Williamson on January 22, 2010 at 12:54pm

The Tina Irwin "Moving Up"clinic is $100 per lesson that includes riding at the RCRA facility which would be $35 if you shipped in for a schooling session. So not only do you get to work with a GRand Prix level coach you get to school your horse off property in a stadium size indoor arena. Tina is charging less to do each ride than she charges normally. Coaches like doing clinics to meet new people and horses they are fun and allow up all to meet each other, Instead of all being off in our separate groups.
I think it's a deal.

Comment by Debbie Lavallee on January 22, 2010 at 7:16am

I used not to get on my student's horses but as I've grown in my profession, I have come to realize the importance of this. You can oftentimes feel things that you can't necessarily see from the ground. In order to better help the student, I feel it is extremely important to sit on their horse. And my clinician of choice will ALWAYS sit on your horse when asked, and then he explains what he feels and what he is doing. My clinician is Dr. Thomas Ritter of www.artisticdressage.com He is an amazing classical clinician who has empathy for the horse and is a master of explaining things. I have grown tenfold since riding with him.

Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on January 21, 2010 at 10:51pm

my next horse to start in the summer of 2010

Comment by SUSIE-SOLOMON-MABE on January 21, 2010 at 10:50pm

When I work with a student I usually get on their horse as well, something i have not always seen with clinicians- and yes I would like to watch them change my horse- if I am there, it is to do something- to mold me or change me so I can start to identify what I have to change....or begin to change- to show me and often I need to be shown- not just explained.......
I know you all understand.
As I sit at the puter, again...... Listening to the rain for the latest evening in two weeks......
sigh

Comment by Debbie Lavallee on January 21, 2010 at 10:15pm

I charge my students $40 per lesson. I feel that as a professional I owe it to my students to continue my education so that I can be the best instructor possible for them. I may pay a lot for my clinic lessons, but I feel I reap the rewards because my students benefit. I don't think I would ride with an instructor who was not continuously furthering their education. Like Klimke said, "One life time is not enough to learn the art of dressage."

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